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Shadowhaze · May 14, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

lol. Well, I do enjoy it, otherwise I wouldn't play it.

I just meant for skills that are more useful with higher titles. Less grind = more enjoyment for me.

komma · May 14, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

/notsigned, game is fine as is, title wise.

MithranArkanere · May 14, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

The thing here is not removing the grind.

The thing is that people HAVE already ground for those titles, and they have to grin again and again for each character.

yThe PLAYER has already ground the title. And it's not like a quest, that you make one once and done, you don't have to make it again with that character. So you don't have to repeat it countless times.

But with grind titles, the points are separate and meaningless. It's not an achievement.

A point in an achievement titles means that you have made various several separate tasks: Missions, Quests, Exploration, Vanquishing, Skill acquisition...

But a point of a grind title is meaningless. There do not include 'where' did you kill something, or what did you defeated.

It's just 'again and again, and again'.

It's not just 'grind'. You could consider making a mission 10 times 'grind'.

No. grind titles are worse than grind. They are grind of grind. It's like making the first objective of a mission 1000 times, without achieving anything until you have wasted a lot of time.

I Can Cure Cancer · May 14, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

I agree with OP, I grinded a title with one character and now I have to do it again? nty

Thizzle · May 14, 2008, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

The thing here is not removing the grind.

The thing is that people HAVE already ground for those titles, and they have to grin again and again for each character.

yThe PLAYER has already ground the title. And it's not like a quest, that you make one once and done, you don't have to make it again with that character. So you don't have to repeat it countless times.

But with grind titles, the points are separate and meaningless. It's not an achievement.

A point in an achievement titles means that you have made various several separate tasks: Missions, Quests, Exploration, Vanquishing, Skill acquisition...

But a point of a grind title is meaningless. There do not include 'where' did you kill something, or what did you defeated.

It's just 'again and again, and again'.

It's not just 'grind'. You could consider making a mission 10 times 'grind'.

No. grind titles are worse than grind. They are grind of grind. It's like making the first objective of a mission 1000 times, without achieving anything until you have wasted a lot of time.

BLAH BLAH BLAH. it's grind after you done it with with one character and get bored nobody cares about the how the charr all had buttsex with some asurans and created norn.

Phoenix Tears · May 15, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Thizzle

BLAH BLAH BLAH. it's grind after you done it with with one character and get bored nobody cares about the how the charr all had buttsex with some asurans and created norn.

WTF are you talking about ? Nobody also cares about such nonsense, like this here >.> lol

Charlotte the Harlot · Jun 26, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

/signed, seems particularly relevant after after the account wide HoM announcement.

Marverick · Jun 26, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

/signed 100 times over

Why wasn't this included with the HoM?

Murmel · Jun 26, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

/signed

Would be strange though with a lvl 1 pre-searing character with LB/SS maxed <.<

wetwillyhip · Jun 27, 2008, 04:46 AM // 04:46

/signed

with HoM changes to account-based, it makes perfect sense. I also have 10 lvl 20 PVE characters that have titles spread across all characters, this would really help me out!

gremlin · Jun 27, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

I absolutely love it when the justification for this is a total lie

Statements like

"The thing is that people HAVE already ground for those titles, and they have to grind again and again for each character."

what a load of bs

IS there someone with a gun in your back forcing you to get titles on all characters.
Perhaps you have been threatened with the loss of your gw account if you don't get titles for all characters.

You are not the character
The account is not the character
The character is an individual avatar in the game the only reason there is shared storage across an account is because it would be impossible for it to be organised in any other way.

But that doesn't mean we have to take the illogicality one step further to allow the greedy and lazy to get their way.

Some players prefer to work for what they gain and not have it given to them on a plate they also prefer there to be differences in their characters.

Have your way if you must just as long as there is an option to turn down the title on a character by character basis.
I don't want to just not use them I want them not listed on my characters at all.

One character may be drunk/lucky/unlucky or whatever but not all of them.
Have your way as I say just don't force everybody into living your dream.

Skye Marin · Jun 27, 2008, 09:01 AM // 09:01

Quote:

Edit to clarify: I am asking for the following titles to be changed:
- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Party Animal
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn

I've agreed with this idea for a very long time, but I would limit the titles changed to exclude the PvE skill title tracks. In short, I strongly support changing:

- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Party Animal
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom

to account-wide. Changing the rest would be alright with me, but plenty of folks have already maxed those titles on more than one character on there accounts, and would resent the extra work they put into those characters. That is, they probably wouldn't have done it again for another character if the reward was already given.

Targren · Jun 27, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

/very signed

One of the few good things about the Kurz and Luxon tracks was that they were acct-wide.

Marverick · Jun 27, 2008, 01:41 PM // 13:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skye Marin

I've agreed with this idea for a very long time, but I would limit the titles changed to exclude the PvE skill title tracks. In short, I strongly support changing:

- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Party Animal
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom

to account-wide. Changing the rest would be alright with me, but plenty of folks have already maxed those titles on more than one character on there accounts, and would resent the extra work they put into those characters. That is, they probably wouldn't have done it again for another character if the reward was already given.

Actually the whole point was to made the PvE skill title tracks account-wide. Drunkard/Sweet Tooth/etc. I could care less about since they don't have an effect on gameplay.

Quote:

I absolutely love it when the justification for this is a total lie

Statements like

"The thing is that people HAVE already ground for those titles, and they have to grind again and again for each character."

what a load of bs

IS there someone with a gun in your back forcing you to get titles on all characters.
Perhaps you have been threatened with the loss of your gw account if you don't get titles for all characters.

You are not the character
The account is not the character
The character is an individual avatar in the game the only reason there is shared storage across an account is because it would be impossible for it to be organised in any other way.

But that doesn't mean we have to take the illogicality one step further to allow the greedy and lazy to get their way.

Some players prefer to work for what they gain and not have it given to them on a plate they also prefer there to be differences in their characters.

Have your way if you must just as long as there is an option to turn down the title on a character by character basis.
I don't want to just not use them I want them not listed on my characters at all.

One character may be drunk/lucky/unlucky or whatever but not all of them.
Have your way as I say just don't force everybody into living your dream.

GLF 4 Ursan R10 only

The problem is the PvE skill title tracks have a dramatic effect on gameplay by being linked to overpowered skills. Now if ANet were to remove this and make a "PvE skill" attribute, then no one would care about making them account wide, since then, grinding them would be up to you.

gremlin · Jun 27, 2008, 02:09 PM // 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

Actually the whole point was to made the PvE skill title tracks account-wide. Drunkard/Sweet Tooth/etc. I could care less about since they don't have an effect on gameplay.

GLF 4 Ursan R10 only

The problem is the PvE skill title tracks have a dramatic effect on gameplay by being linked to overpowered skills. Now if ANet were to remove this and make a "PvE skill" attribute, then no one would care about making them account wide, since then, grinding them would be up to you.

Good point
In my zeal to prevent my characters being forced to accept titles they didn't want I forgot about the likes of lightbringer and similar skills.
I can see that people would want to try out builds using these skills that I agree are a grind to get with multiple characters.
I find some of these skills a waste of time because you really want to get the skill high to fight the final battles and its unlikely you will get them high until after you finish the game.
I could get them higher in HM but by then I have finished the game and feel no impetus to go on raising their level.

It's about as usefull as finding a scroll of banish dragon on the body of the dragon you just killed.

Perhaps a compromise might be reached
I tend to role-play my characters at least in my imagination and I bestow personalities upon them.

I am sure if they ever consider account wide titles in gw2 "if titles excist" they will take into account the many posts in this thread.

MithranArkanere · Jun 27, 2008, 03:07 PM // 15:07

You could say that in PvE there are three main types of titles:

- Achievement. (Protector, Carthographer)
No one would complain about keeping them account wide.

- Plot grind. (Norn, Luxon, Sunspear, etc...)
Making them account wide could be too harsh, but easing their achievement the more characters try them would be wise. They are grind titles afterall.
I made a thread about possible ways to ease it you can go there and add more. I'll add the to the first post. The main idea is 'ease them' once you have maxed them with another character. So if you have many characters it stills takes more time that with a single one, but not AGES when you have already maxed the title with some.

- Pure grind. (Lucky, Wisdom, Treasure, etc...)
This ones MUST be account wide. They are simply annoying to make more than once. Absolutely no one will get them in more that 3 or 4 characters. Lucky is account wide already, by the way.

zamial · Jun 27, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

/almost signed

Here is the deal. All titles account wide, account wide titles can only be worn after ascention(or campaign completion). Pre-ascention (campaign completion), titles may still be independantly earned and displayed as such. (I have not forgot you perma pre's)

What is the problem with that? Esspecially with the HoM update.

/signed with above changes.

MithranArkanere · Jun 29, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

Yup, you can alwys prevent the level 1 insta-GWAMM by requiring level 20, ascension, at least one campaign finished, etc

Ishtar Serket · Jun 30, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

/signed

I play GW to get away from the grinding bs that plagues pretty much every other mmo around. I don't feel like spending my available time battling the same enemies again and again, then mapping out, going back in and repeating the process. Since I don't see them lowering the reqs for the different levels of the rep title tracks, having rep across the account would be the best alternative. Right now I'm working on Vanguard rep just so I can get to r5 and unlock the armour for my sin. I've already done the same with my Derv and her Asuran armour. If the rep were to be combined across all accounts, that would make a big difference in allowing other characters to grind through the rep as well as the character you want to grind it out with for the weapons/armour/etc. Just make it so level 20 and ascended is a requirement before gaining item benefits from it and its perfect. I wouldn't get Vanguard r5 instantly but it'd be a hell of a lot easier than getting bored to tears in Sacnoth wishing I was playing something else...

Charlotte the Harlot · Jul 05, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamial

/almost signed

Here is the deal. All titles account wide, account wide titles can only be worn after ascention(or campaign completion). Pre-ascention (campaign completion), titles may still be independantly earned and displayed as such. (I have not forgot you perma pre's)

What is the problem with that? Esspecially with the HoM update.

/signed with above changes.

although I wouldn't mind just having them straight up account wide this seems like a really good solution for people who don't want to see lvl 1 guardians and whatnot.